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Gas  vs Electric Bike Advantages

Electric vs Gas Advantages

Power (speed and Torque)

Almost silent transportation

Weight of the bike is lighter than Electric

No gas needed

No battery replacement costs

No mixing of oil and gas

No Recharge Time

No maintenance other than plugging in after each ride

Rides more like a motorcycle than a bicycle

Rides more like a bicycle than a motorcycle

Q. How much do they cost?

A. All bikes are $775  conversion are $675

 Q. Isn’t that expensive?

A. I have chosen the highest quality parts for the price to bring each person a customized affordable solution that they will be happy with for years to come.  Each bike is different and can take considerable time to get working properly, tuned and adjusted. I make very little on these bikes and only charge for my time to complete each bike. I purchase parts in large quantities and pass most of the savings on to you.

 Q. Are they safe?

A. That depends on the rider and the area where they are ridden but yes. I ensure they are safe so you don’t get hurt and I don’t get sued.

Q. Are motorized bicycles legal?

A. Yes!  Electric bicycles are treated just like regular bicycles in most states. Many states, have a provision allowing for “Slow Moving Motorized Vehicles”. For legal concerns, we recommend checking with your local DMV .Here is the current Revised code of Washington on electric and gas bicycles which for the most part treats these bicycles just like ordinary bicycles http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.710

 Q. What kind of gas savings can I expect and what are the battery recharge times?

A.  In the Methow valley we pay approximately 4.4cents per kilowatt hour. This translates into just pennies a mile to charge the bike. Expect 2 to 5 hour recharge times depending on how far you ride the bike between charges.

Q .How long do the batteries last and how far can I go on a single charge?

You can go approximately 20 miles between charges with moderate assisted peddling. This varies on the weight of the rider, hills and road conditions.

Q. Where can I get accessories?

A. See recommendations here.

Q. What frame sizes do you have ?

A. I generally only use standard 26 inch boys mountain or cruiser frames that can fit most people from 5’ 2” to just under 7 feet tall.  Riders under 5’2” might benefit from 24” wheels. 

Q. Where can I get more information on batteries.

A.

Battery Tutorial

You have most likely heard the term K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid). I am going to attempt to explain how lead acid batteries work and what they need without burying you with a bunch of needless technical data.

The commercial use of the lead acid battery is over 100 years old. The same chemical principal is being used to create energy that our Great, Great, Grandparents may have used.

If you can grasp the basics you will have fewer battery problems and will gain greater battery performance, reliability, and longevity. I suggest you read the entire tutorial, however I have indexed all the information for a quick read and easy reference.

A battery is like a piggy bank. If you keep taking out and putting nothing back you soon will have nothing.

Average battery life has become shorter as energy requirements have increased. Life span depends on usage; 6 months
to 6 years.

A Few Basics

The Lead Acid battery is made up of plates, lead, and lead oxide (various other elements are used to change density, hardness, porosity, etc.) with a 35% sulfuric acid and 65% water solution. This solution is called electrolyte which causes a chemical reaction that produce electrons. When you test a battery with a hydrometer you are measuring the amount of sulfuric acid in the electrolyte. If your reading is low, that means the chemistry that makes electrons is lacking. So where did the sulfur go? It is resting to the battery plates and when you recharge the battery the sulfur returns to the electrolyte.


Basically there are two types of batteries; starting (cranking), and deep cycle (marine/golf cart). The starting battery (SLI starting lights ignition) is designed to deliver quick bursts of energy (such as starting engines) and have a greater plate count. The plates will also be thinner and have somewhat different material composition. The deep cycle battery has less instant energy but greater long-term energy delivery. Deep cycle batteries have thicker plates and can survive a number of discharge cycles. Starting batteries should not be used for deep cycle applications such as an electric bicycle. The so-called Dual Purpose Battery is only a compromise between the 2 types of batteries.

Wet Cell (flooded), Gel Cell, and Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM) are various versions of the lead acid battery. The wet cell comes in 2 styles; serviceable, and maintenance free. Both are filled with electrolyte and I prefer one that I can add water to and check the specific gravity of the electrolyte with a hydrometer. The Gel Cell and the AGM batteries are specialty batteries that typically cost twice as much as a premium wet cell. However they store very well and do not tend to sulfate or degrade as easily or as easily as wet cell. There is little chance of a hydrogen gas explosion or corrosion when using these batteries; these are the safest lead acid batteries you can use. Gel Cell and some AGM batteries may require a special charging rate.

AGM: The Absorbed Glass Matt construction allows the electrolyte to be suspended in close proximity with the plates active material. In theory, this enhances both the discharge and recharge efficiency. Actually, the AGM batteries are a variant of Sealed VRLA batteries. Popular usage high performance engine starting, power sports, deep cycle, solar and storage battery. The AGM batteries are good deep cycle batteries and they deliver best life performance if recharged before the battery drops below the 50 percent discharge rate. If these AGM batteries are discharged to a rate of 100 percent the cycle life will be 300 plus cycles and this is true of most AGM batteries rated as deep cycle batteries.

GEL: The gel cell is similar to the AGM style because the electrolyte is suspended, but different because technically the AGM battery is still considered to be a wet cell. The electrolyte in a GEL cell has a silica additive that causes it to set up or stiffen. The recharge voltages on this type of cell are lower than the other styles of lead acid battery. This is probably the most sensitive cell in terms of adverse reactions to over-voltage charging. Gel Batteries are best used in VERY DEEP cycle application and may last a bit longer in hot weather applications. If the incorrect battery charger is used on a Gel Cell battery poor performance and premature failure is certain.

4. CCA, CA, AH and RC what are these all about? Well these are the standards that most battery companies use to rate the output and capacity of a battery.

Cold cranking amps (CCA) is a measurement of the number of amps a battery can deliver at 0 ° F for 30 seconds and not drop below 7.2 volts. So a high CCA battery rating is good especially in cold weather.

CA is cranking amps measured at 32 degrees F. This rating is also called marine cranking amps (MCA). Hot cranking amps (HCA) is seldom used any longer but is measured at 80 ° F.

Reserve Capacity (RC) is a very important rating. This is the number of minutes a fully charged battery at 80 ° F will discharge 25 amps until the battery drops below 10.5 volts.

An amp hour (AH) is a rating usually found on deep cycle batteries. If a battery is rated at 100 amp hours it should deliver 5 amps for 20 hours, 20 amps for 5 hours, etc.

5. Battery Maintenance is an important issue.  If corrosion develops on the terminals, the battery should be cleaned using a baking soda and water mix; a couple of table spoons to a pint of water. Cable connection needs to be clean and tightened. Many battery problems are caused by dirty and loose connections. Add a little petroleum jelly on the terminals to help prevent corrosion. Keep your battery on a smart charger immediately after use if possible to extend battery range and do not ride your electric bike after the yellow "empty" light appears on the throttle. This will also ensure a long battery life. 

Battery Testing can be done in more than one way. The most popular is measurement of specific gravity and battery voltage. Use a digital D.C. Voltmeter. A good digital load tester may be a good purchase if you need to test batteries sealed batteries. Note your bike uses three twelve volt  Sealed AGM 12 Amp Hour batteries for a total of 36volts.

Test batteries one at a time.  You must first have the battery fully charged. The surface charge must be removed before testing. If the battery has been sitting at least several hours (I prefer at least 12 hours)

State of Charge

Specific Gravity

Voltage

 

 

12V

6V

100%

1.265

12.7

6.3

*75%

1.225

12.4

6.2

50%

1.190

12.2

6.1

25%

1.155

12.0

6.0

Discharged

1.120

11.9

6.0


*Sulfation of Batteries starts when specific gravity falls below 1.225 or voltage measures less than 12.4 (12v Battery) or 6.2 (6 volt battery). Sulfation hardens the battery plates reducing and eventually destroying the ability of the battery to generate Volts and Amps.

Load testing is yet another way of testing a battery. Load test removes amps from a battery much like starting an engine would. A load tester can be purchased at most auto parts stores. Some battery companies label their battery with the amp load for testing. This number is usually 1/2 of the CCA rating. For instance, a 500CCA battery would load test at 250 amps for 15 seconds. A load test can only be performed if the battery is near or at full charge.

Digital Voltmeters should read as the voltage is shown in this document. The sealed AGM and Gel-Cell battery voltage (full charged) will be slightly higher in the 12.8 to 12.9 ranges. If you have voltage readings in the 10.5 volts range on a charged battery, that indicates a shorted cell.

If you have a maintenance free wet cell, the only ways to test are voltmeter and load test.

When in doubt about battery testing, call the battery manufacturer. Many batteries sold today have a toll free number to call for help.


 Battery life and performance - Average battery life has become shorter as energy requirements have increased. Two phrases I hear most often are "my battery won't take a charge, and my battery won't hold a charge". Only 30% of batteries sold today reach the 48-month mark. In fact 80% of all battery failure is related to sulfation build-up. This build up occurs when the sulfur molecules in the electrolyte (battery acid) become so deeply discharged that they begin to coat the battery's lead plates. Before long the plates become so coated that the battery dies. The causes of sulfation are numerous. Let me list some for you.

*          Batteries sit too long between charges. As little as 24 hours in hot weather and several days in cooler weather.

*          Battery is stored without some type of energy input.

*          "Deep cycling" an engine starting battery. Remember these batteries can't stand deep discharge.

*          Undercharging of a battery, to charge a battery (lets say) to 90% of capacity will allow sulfation of the battery using the 10% of battery chemistry not reactivated by the incomplete charging cycle.

*          Heat of 100 plus F., increases internal discharge. As temperatures increase so does internal discharge. A new fully charged battery left sitting 24 hours a day at 110 degrees F for 30 days would most likely not start an engine.

*          Low electrolyte level - battery plates exposed to air will immediately sulfate.

*          Incorrect charging levels and settings. Most cheap battery chargers can do more harm than good. See the section on battery charging.

*          Cold weather is also hard on the battery. The chemistry does not make the same amount of energy as a warm battery. A deeply discharged battery can freeze solid in sub zero weather.

*          Parasitic drain is a load put on a battery with the key off. More info on parasitic drain will follow in this document.


There are ways to greatly increase battery life and performance.
You most likely don't use batteries 365 days a year as you do your car. Electric bikes are seasonal so they are stored. What happens to the batteries? Most batteries that supply energy only last 2 seasons. You must keep these batteries from sulfating or buy new ones. Keep them on the smart charger in your home or garage away from freezing temperatures is the best way to increase their useful life.

Parasitic drain is a load put on a battery with the key off. Make sure you turn off your bike when not in use (on off toggle switch on the controller under the seat)

Battery Do's

*          Think Safety First.

*          Do read entire tutorial

*          Do regular inspection and maintenance especially in hot weather.

*          Do recharge batteries immediately after discharge.

*          Do buy the highest AH amp hour battery that will fit your configuration. 3 12 volts batteries wired for 36 volts.


Battery Don'ts

*          Don't forget safety first.

*          Don't use unregulated high output battery chargers to charge batteries.

*          Don't place your equipment and toys into storage without some type of device to keep the battery charged.

*          Don't put off recharging batteries.

*          Don't discharge a battery any deeper than you possibly have to.

*          Don't mix size and types of batteries.

Q. How fast do they go? 

A. Faster than you think :)

Q. Is there a Warranty?

A. 6 month limited warranty on the Motor, controller and Throttle.

Batteries –No warranty. Batteries are fully tested and certified before sale however, they are not warranted due to the inability to determine factory defects verses purchaser misuse.

Electric Bike Manual

 

Battery/charging and Maintenance:

 

1 Charging-Plug smart charger into an A/C outlet. Then, plug other connector into cable coming out of the battery pack. Allow 2 to 6 hours to complete a full charge cycle.

When the battery pack is fully charged, the indicator light on the charger will turn green. (Always recharge immediately after each use even if your ride is only for a short time! Failure to do this will damage the batteries!)

2. Removal of battery pack from Bicycle- Unplug power cable going to controller. Undo two side Velcro straps and front top Velcro strap. Lift battery pack off of the transporter rack. ( Methow Bikes recommends leaving the battery pack on the bike if possible)

3. ) To Install the pack, reverse procedures of previous instruction. (note a large spark will most likely occur when plugging in the battery pack. There is a lot of power in the battery pack and this spark is normal).

 Driving the Bike

1.)    Be sure the battery cables are plugged into the controller cables

2.)    Turn controller switch on. (Throttle light will turn on when power is present).

3.)    Push down thumb throttle to accelerate. *Important-before applying brakes, ALWAYS allow the throttle to return to “Off” position so that the motor and brakes are not fighting with each other.

4.)    To maximize battery range: Pedal along with the motor, especially when accelerating from a dead stop-this is when most of the battery power is consumed.

5.)    Always remember to turn the controller switch to “off” after use. Failure to do so will drain the batteries and damage them!

*Remember to follow all regional traffic and safety regulations.

INDICATOR LIGHT CODES

 

CAUSE

Red light “ON”

Power is getting to the controller.

Steady Blink

all connections correct, but no signal is being received from throttle

No blinking

motor is receiving throttle signal and power, motor should be spinning

slow 6 pattern blink

Hall effects circuit has a problem (disconnected or broken wire)

slow 8 pattern blink

battery voltage has dropped below 31.5 volts _RECHARGE!

Slow double Blink

Brake cut off circuit is engaged

Light blinks while motor is powered

Trouble with the hall effects circuit

 

Specs:

Motor Power: 600watts, 36volts DC –Gearless, brushless hub motor

Variable speed throttle, sealed 12 volt dc, 12 amp hour lead acid gel cell batteries (x3)

Extra heavy duty 50 amp electronic speed controller unit top speed 20+MPH

Average recharge time 4-6 hours automatic smart charger 2 amp,36vdc payload capacity 300+pounds

Gross weight of components excluding bike 52lbs

6th month limited warranty on the front hub motor, controller, charger and throttle. Parts and labor.  Note that battery packs are not warranted due to our inability to determine factory defects from owner misuse.

 

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